Jay-Z and Beyoncé’s 12-year-old daughter Blue Ivy Carter is already a global phenomenon (who else was named the “most famous baby in the world” a few days after birth?). What if she wasn’t Blue Ivy and her “fans” weren’t the Blue Ivy League? Though it seems unlikely, Jay-Z says he and Bey didn’t initially want to name their oldest kid Blue Ivy.

Since she was born in 2012, there have been rumors that Blue Ivy was named after Jay’s favorite color, a passage by writer and activist Rebecca Solnit, or the couple’s favorite number (Blue has four letters, and Ivy could refer to 4’s roman numeral “IV”). But Jay-Z argues the truth is simpler. “She was meant to be Brooklyn,” Jay told Gayle King on CBS Mornings.

“We planned to call it Brooklyn. After seeing the sonograms, we called the baby a blueberry since she was so little “Jay said. “Like, ‘Look at the little blueberry!’” Like a moniker. For nine months, we said, ‘look at the little blueberry.’ So we naturally removed the ‘berry’ and named her Blue.” Blue Ivy was born, and her career is only beginning.