In her interview for Time’s Person of the Year cover story—her first in-depth one in almost four years—Taylor Swift is revealing everything, from her relationship with Travis Kelce to her praise of Beyoncé. The singer is the first to admit that, despite her many reasons for celebration this year, she couldn’t have reached a new height without first going through some really low points, one of which was brought on by her iconic dispute with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West.

Swift discussed the 2016 dispute in the interview, which was released on Wednesday, for the first time in years. She said that she had never been in such a “low” place as she had been after her cancellation, which came about as a result of Kardashian tweeting a covertly recorded phone call between Swift and Kanye.About the criticism Swift faced when Kardashian’s tweet went viral, she stated, “Make no mistake—my career was taken away from me.” “You have a completely faked frame job in an unlawfully recorded phone call that Kim Kardashian altered and then released to the public to claim that I was lying.”

“That took me down psychologically to a place I’ve never been before,” the woman said. I relocated to another nation. It took me a year to move out of a rental home. I was terrified to answer the phone. I stopped trusting people, therefore I turned away the majority of the individuals in my life. I took a really, extremely bad fall.

Although she “thought that moment of backlash was going to define me negatively for the rest of my life,” Taylor continued, she overcame the situation in the end. The one, as Swift puts it, relatively bright side of the situation? She became aware that “nothing is permanent” as a result.

“I’ve had this taken away from me before, so I’m very careful to be grateful every second that I get to be doing this at this level,” she said. One thing I’ve discovered is that, no matter what, I react to events by continuing to create new things. Continue creating art.

The Hollywood star said, “But I’ve also learned there’s no point in actively trying to quote unquote defeat your enemies.” “Trash always takes care of itself.”